The Fearless Road

11. PART 3 -Conquering Oceans and Fears: A Voyage with Karlis Bardelis

• Michael D Devous Jr • Season 2 • Episode 11

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"Conquering Oceans and Fears: A Voyage with Karlis Bardelis" PART 3

In the concluison of Seson 2 Episode 1, we bring this epic journey with our fearless guest Karlis Bardelis to a close. But now wihtout getting interrupted by wild turkeys, a crashing computer and a phone that literally burns out! 

The final part of the podcast episode summarizes Karlis Bardelis's most terrifying experience during his Indian Ocean rowing expedition. He planned to finish in Tanzania but ended up in Somalia due to strong currents and winds. Somalia is a dangerous place for foreigners because of terrorist groups like Al Shabab. Luckily, Karlis was able to secure a safe landing with the help of various authorities.

The podcast host then asks Karlis about his fear of public speaking. Karlis says he has a strong urge to share his stories and doesn't experience much fear when speaking on stage. He explains that he focuses on sharing the challenges he faced, the decisions he made, and the lessons he learned. He believes these relatable stories inspire people and give them hope.

Karlis also shares that he is planning to write a book about his adventures. He says he will only include the stories that he can remember vividly after several years because he believes those are the most impactful ones to share.

The episode concludes with Karlis giving a message to the listeners. He paraphrases a quote from Viktor Frankl's book "Man's Search for Meaning": "Between stimulus and response there is a space. In that space lies our freedom to choose our response. And in that choice lies our growth and our freedom." Karlis emphasizes the importance of choosing our attitude in any given circumstance. He believes this is the most valuable lesson he has learned from his expeditions.

Takeaways:

  1. Fear can be turned into fuel for achieving goals.
  2. Challenges and setbacks can be catalysts for growth and change.
  3. The entrepreneurial journey, while risky, won't cost lives like a failure in the middle of the ocean.
  4. One's mind has an incredible ability to devise solutions in dire situations.
  5. Adventure and exploration can lead to personal fulfillment.
  6. Even ordinary individuals with regular jobs can embark on extraordinary adventures.
  7. Pursuing one's passion can lead to a more fulfilling life.
  8. Fear and obstacles are universal, but they can be overcome.

Quotes:

  1. "How does someone become fearless? That's exactly what we're going to find out."
  2. "I love that this puts these things into perspective for us."
  3. "Your mind will really come up with ways to save your ass in some of these situations."
  4. "I'm a Googler. I Googled how to row an ocean. So that's how you start."
Speaker 1:

Hey there everybody, and welcome to the Fearless Road podcast, where we explore entrepreneurial insights, stories and advice on embracing fear, breaking boundaries and achieving goals on the road to success. I'm your host, Michael DeVue, and after years of overcoming obstacles and tragedy, I began to wonder how does someone become fearless? Well, that's exactly what we're going to find out. In every episode, we dive into the lives of individuals who've learned to turn fear into fuel, face some incredible challenges and cultivate a fearless mindset while navigating their fearless road. So join me for in-depth interviews with some amazing people where we investigate more deeply the valleys on their road to success, because the valleys are where character is built, foundations are laid and where the fearless are born. Welcome to the Fearless Road Podcast, All right.

Speaker 1:

So, if you recall, part two, we ended with Wild Turkey interrupting our production and Carlos's phone overheating. He was just about to get into his story about the first time he rowed in his boat across the Atlantic Ocean, after only training, I think 37 kilometers in a lake, and he Googled it and thought well, why not, I'll row across the ocean. We're going to let him tell this story. It's so good. Part three in the final chapter of the incredible interview with Carlos Bartalas. Thanks for tuning in. Y'all Enjoy. So, ladies and gentlemen, if you're following us and you're back, we jumped back into studio. We lost our connection. Carlos's phone overheated, so we are dealing with some technical issues. We're dealing with wildlife who are making themselves known. And where were we? We were on your first rowing journey, which gosh, by the way. I mean, ladies and gentlemen, if you're going to learn to row, I suppose taking on the Atlantic Ocean is one way to do it, but Carlos decided, after Googling it, that he should go ahead and row from Africa to Brazil.

Speaker 1:

Here we are. I'm going to take us a bit forward. You've Googled, you've trained, you've done a little bit of training 37 kilometers in a boat that you've never been in before, that you think is going to take you across the ocean and take us out into this first trip. And you're in the middle of the ocean on this first trip. Were you by yourself, rowing by yourself?

Speaker 2:

so I was with my previous colleague from the office. So just uh one thing I said be aware of you.

Speaker 2:

You're googling, uh what you google and be careful, yeah, be careful and and be careful with whom you're sitting in the same office, because me and my rowing partner we sat at the same office back in the days when we were working in the office. So, yeah, we went to row across the Atlantic with the aim to arrive in Rio de Janeiro by the time of Olympic and Paralympic Games in Brazil, in Rio de Janeiro. And, yeah, a lot of things happened and we arrived one week after Paralympics.

Speaker 1:

so a lot of things happened, but you were still raising awareness for climate change and for human powered endeavors, so that part worked right.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely. And you know well, yeah, being like environmental master master environmental management myself I can definitely can draw the lines that connects the dots between human powered journeys and, like climate change, uh. But to be honest, I mostly uh wanted to underline that if there is something in you that you want to do and there is this spark, there is this something that resonates in you. I better wanted to be an advocate for that, because someone, some people, believe into climate change, some people don't. So, not going into the environmental things, I'm going into your core, in anyone who is listening or or watching us now that there is something inside of you that you wanted to do, you maybe pushed aside and yeah, that's. Or you know, by the way, michael, there have been people who said that, no, I never had this big dream, I never wanted to do these kind of challenges.

Speaker 2:

I never had it in me and then I say, yeah, but you know, when you, let's say, volunteer for someone, or maybe you help someone to achieve some goal or to build a business, or to build something, a company, there are so many opportunities that come up without you thinking about them on the first hand. You never know where this road can lead you. So I would say, if there is some crazy guy or girl who has this idea, he wants to go on a journey, she wants to build a company, to build something, yeah, maybe it's a good idea just to join them and help. Maybe that is also a way to become a better version of yourself.

Speaker 2:

But coming back to that, our Atlantic crossing, well, as I said, a lot of things happened along the way. A lot of things what we never expected happened. We actually had to invent new rowing technique, but because we couldn't sit down anymore, because, yeah we, we were facing very severe health problems, we were covered with boils on our oh shoot. Backside, because a lot, a lot of things, yeah, that we didn't expect. That. Like, just just imagine such a simple thing here on land. You might never pay attention how much sugar there is in the energy bars. So we never thought about that. How much sugar is there actually? And we thought that, yeah, sugar, it's an energy, so we need an energy to roll 12 hours a day. But it turned out that it's too much and it impacted our immunity. Oh wow, one is rowing two hours, other one is resting for two hours, and that goes on for 24 hours a day. So it means that even during the night, when you normally get your deep sleep, cycles and you recover properly.

Speaker 2:

We were not able to do that, so no, so the problems with the food, the sleep. And then what? Problems with the food, the sleep, and then what happens with the water you're drinking, so hydration, and you know what? We tested equipment in Latvia and it was funny, the company's manager who gave us back the water maker, that is decenalator, that decenalates seawater into drinkable water, he gave us back the equipment and he said well, it meets the requirement standards. You will not die from, you will not die Was his.

Speaker 2:

OK, ok, yeah so and then let's try how that works in real life. So actually, actually it was quite problematic because it turned out it was a used water maker and uh, and it it's. Well, we know we knew that it is a used water maker, that's why we tested it, so it kind of met the standards, but it was still a bit salty, so we were pouring in not so good fuel. So you can imagine.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, salty water, tons of sugar, easy carbohydrates that are not complex carbohydrates, so your body is turning most of those carbohydrates into a sugar in order to burn them. So your metabolism, I imagine, was off balance. Your chemistry was off balance, absolutely.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely. So, therefore, that all bad things that we were pouring in and, of course, the physical effort. You are rowing 12 hours a day. So definitely, and you need a good recovery, sleep and we were not getting that. Yeah, so all that smoothie, should I say turned out that our bodies were trying to cope with the situation and squeezing out all the bad things in the form of boils and they were like really nasty, all the bad things in the form of boils.

Speaker 1:

Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2:

They were really nasty and very, very painful and we were not able to sit down on our sliding seat, on the rowing seat, and we had to drink antibiotics to stop the inflammation and we had to drink antibiotics to stop the inflammation. So we took actually two antibiotic courses. We had to take because the boils came back and we had to take antibiotics. And the third time when I thought that, well, we have to figure out something else because we don't want to give up, we are one third in our way. We have to find a solution. And the solution was actually in the beginning.

Speaker 2:

It was stupid, naive idea that we might be able to row not while sitting in a rowboat, but standing. So if any one of you who are listening have been in a rowboat in your life, you understand that this is a stupid idea because everything is very wobbly and unstable when you, when you stand up in the rowboat. So, but we, but we had to learn this new technique. We just had to because there was no other way. So eventually, when we learned the new technique we, that was the thing which enabled us to row across the Atlantic, this rowing while standing. And then, after two weeks, the knees were full of boils because we were pressing against the rowing seat and we couldn't stand up anymore after two weeks. But after two weeks my butt was already a little bit healed so I could sit down.

Speaker 2:

So I could sit, yeah, and row and continue to row. So this is the thing where you can draw connection lines between the between the companies and environment that we are surrounded in in the business, because I was giving this lecture to one businessman and he later on came up to me and said you know what your story about this solution, that you were like figuring out solution, no matter what you know. He said, imagine we never will have a client that's going to ask can you please issue an invoice for $5,000 for the solution that you, for the problem that you cannot solve? Please issue us an invoice for that that you cannot do. No, there is always. Only we are getting paid for the solutions that we can figure out and the performance that we can do Deliver.

Speaker 2:

To deliver exactly. So this is like really connected also with the entrepreneurship. This is really connected also with entrepreneurship. So you will never get an option that, yeah, I will pay you for what you can't do.

Speaker 1:

No, you are only paid for what you the part of the cost of business is is is finding those solutions Right Is the failures. The failures are what get us to the actual successes. You know Edison made a thousand bad light bulbs before he made one that worked. You know the reason why we have so many, you know, meds these days is these pharmaceutical companies which charge, you know, a lot of money for meds but spent billions of dollars in research getting to the one that works right. So, yeah, it's built into the price point. I would say that we are participating in the process of getting to a solution, but what we want as consumers is the solution. We don't want to know that we're paying for you to solve the problem so much as we just want you to create the solution for us and help us get to that success. So, obviously, on the fearless road we talk about fear. So obviously, on the Fearless.

Speaker 2:

Road. We talk about fear. Was there a point you felt fear on this journey in the middle of the ocean? Did you feel fear where I felt that it's unfair, that something is not letting us to do what we, what we want to do, like through the ball, like to the bone, like we were, we were true, to the bone, but something is not letting do the thing, what we want. That was with these health problems, but you know fear.

Speaker 2:

I remember, when we were maybe two, three weeks before Brazil, my rowing partner Gintz, in the middle of the night, when I was sleeping in the cabin and he was rowing outside, I hear him screaming so loudly that this sound might circumnavigate the world by itself, and it was crazy and I didn't know what happened. So when I opened the cabin hatch and I was about to understand what happened, actually there was a wave, because during the night the visibility is very poor, you cannot see properly. So there was a wave that hit from a side and that wave hit his oar and that oar went into his ribs and he broke his ribs and it was. It was a terrible situation. Like we were, we were, uh, like we were thinking of that. We might call a help. We might call someone to evacuate ourselves from there. But but you know, if I think in this kind of moments like to be honest, everything was about solving this situation, like both of us were thinking what can we do, even in this situation? And actually we figured.

Speaker 2:

Well, first of all, he got into the cabin, he tried to rest for some hours, he tried to rest for some hours, he tried to rest. And then we figured out a solution how we can fix his ribs with some equipment that we had on board. We cut out from the plastic container like a plate, then we tied this plate with a towel and we placed it on his ribs and strapped that plate with two straps, uh, like fixing his ribs from the possible movements, because the boat is moving all the time in the waves. So when we done that and he was lying in the cabin and just slowly, I asked him so what do you think?

Speaker 2:

Can we continue, because otherwise we need's necessary for help, or are we actually in control of the situation? And he said honestly that well, actually, when we have fixed my ribs now and I'm in the cabin, actually I could stay here, I can rest, you can roll and we can continue. So in that moment, we didn't let the fear to come in. We didn't even get a threshold. We didn't give this fear a threshold where to come in, because, yeah, if the fear in this kind of situation comes in, yeah, I would say it's really, really complicated then to solve all these challenges.

Speaker 1:

So there's so many, so many questions and, ladies and gentlemen, we're here at the Fearless Road podcast with Carlos Bartolus, currently in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean on their way to Brazil. There's a few. There's so many stories, carlos, and so many adventures that you have. We could talk for hours and hours and hours, and, oh my gosh, I want to dive into these, but we only have so much time on the show and I've got to get questions. But so fear is not a is not an option. It sounds like to me in this scenario.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, do you have a relationship, then Would you say you have a different relationship with fear as a result of having these experiences?

Speaker 2:

I think the relationship can be said in this one sentence If I can imagine that, if that idea come to me, if I wouldn't be able to actually execute and, yeah, actually do any of these expeditions. So therefore, I would say, yeah, if any idea has come to you, just don't push back. I mean don't push back, yeah, lean in. Lean in and look where this excitement of curiosity is leading you, and that will open up some very interesting doors.

Speaker 1:

Yes, that and Googling Open up some doors. Okay, so I'm going to jump ahead here a little bit, just for the listeners and everything. There was a journey that you took, another rowing journey. Now you've made it from Africa to Brazil. You rode your bicycle in South America and then you rode across the Pacific Ocean to Asia. But the last part of your journey, I think, was the most terrifying and the most concerning. Can you share with the audience this part of the journey, specifically when you ended up?

Speaker 2:

in Somalia, absolutely. You know, sometimes people when I'm out there in the ocean, they think that, oh, it's so dangerous and so risky, and when I'm close to some civilization, that this might be much more safer for me. But actually it isn't like that. Any coast actually is dangerous for this boat because of the traffic, because of the local fishermen, because of the currents and weather, which are much more changing than in the middle of the Pacific Ocean where it has been like that, for there's trade winds and trade currents. You need to take in account them, but they are there out there even now. So, but additionally to all those things that I mentioned now the traffic, the local fishermen, the weather, etc. There comes the, there comes this risk and and very dangerous, very, very dangerous.

Speaker 2:

Final stage of my indian ocean rowing expedition, where it ended up in somalia, and I didn't plan it that way. I planned to finish in tanzania, but unfortunately my backup on the backup, which was, uh, that I thought okay, if not tanzania, then kenya. But even with that it wasn't enough, and the currents and the wind was twice, twice, two times stronger than it's supposed to be in that season. So against that there was no, no options. So I end up in somalia and there I have to say thank you and I'm so grateful, beyond grateful, that a lot of authorities actually came together for me to to actually secure this, this landing, and that was like Somalian army, italian embassy because European countries doesn't have an embassies in Somalia, only Italian embassy is there.

Speaker 2:

So Italians took it over from my Ministry of Foreign Affairs all this diplomacy and all the logistics and it actually, and yeah, it was crazy, and I drifted along the coast which is controlled by the terrorist group Al-Shabaab and yeah, the thing is that for the past five, six years there hasn't been a case in the sea, of the piracy in the sea, because all of those container vessels they have aren't guards and they just shoot them all off. So but the situation is completely different when you come ashore, where any taxi driver, where any postman, where any of like anyone knows that they can sell you a foreign year. They can sell a foreigner for a couple of thousand to the group of the terrorists, who will then ask for the big ransom.

Speaker 2:

And luckily I was, so the idea was such that the good guys finds me first, then the bad guys. So that was the core of this mission and definitely, as I said, I'm very grateful to anyone who gave a hand to this mission. And yeah, it's amazing, actually, that's.

Speaker 1:

It's unbelievable that you I mean to have that kind of support and energy around you in the middle, and this is a journey. By the way, you were alone on this one, weren't you? You didn't have a rowing partner on this leg of the trip.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I had, from Sri Lanka to Maldives, I was rowing with a friend, a French, half-french, half, half-american citizenship and yeah, we did this from Sri Lanka to Maldives and then I continued alone. So I was alone there and yeah, well, there was a lot of communication, a lot of unknown things, nothing. But yeah, I'm now kind of questioning myself whether I let the fear in even in that moment. You know, yes, to be honest, I'm very, like, positive guy, like just in life.

Speaker 1:

Well, you shared with me before that you had said because I asked you, I think, in our previous conversation, when we were doing our discovery call and we were sort of getting to know each other a little bit better that you couldn't afford to let the fear in. You couldn't afford to let the fear in because of everything that was in front of you, because you were alone and you were dealing with so many different things Navigation, the waters, the currents, the winds that were changing, the rowing conditions that you were underneath and the fact that you were just being pushed towards the coast of Somalia. You had said in your head that you just couldn't allow fear to take hold because you had to be solution-oriented Absolutely.

Speaker 2:

And all of my ocean crossing expeditions, at the end of the last leg, finish line, when you actually can see the land which is so close that you might, you, you can even think that you can grab the land, but there is still some distance to do you have to have this 150 percent focus. You cannot get into the feeling like I'm already there, I've already done the crossing, then the problems can happen. But no, you just keep this 150% focus, because none of those kilometers or miles behind you matter, only the ones that are in front of you, in front.

Speaker 1:

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, none of the miles behind you matter. Only the ones in front are truly what matters. Now we're going to I'm at some point I'm going to probably have another conversation with you, because there's so many questions I have and you have so many adventures to share. But let's take this beyond the ocean and let's take this into the corporate and entrepreneurial mindset environment. You now have taken your experiences and your lessons and you now share them with the world. On stage. You speak professionally and share these experiences. Tell me, do you have a fear of stage? Do you have a fear of speaking?

Speaker 2:

You know, I have this urge to share the journey, to share the story, yeah. So I'm always eager to share that, and I don't do it every day, but if it's once a week, twice a week, I'm excited every time when I do it.

Speaker 1:

So there is something Because you know that public speaking is one of the biggest fears in the world. People are terrified of public speaking and yet you just step right up to the plate. What do you share with? What lessons do you share? What is your method in your message when you're talking from the stage?

Speaker 2:

So if I'm sharing just this, like two sentences, of saying, oh, I crossed the Atlantic in a rowboat, then cycled across South America, then for two years, rode across the Pacific and now across the Indian Ocean for seven years and I'm not a professional athlete Then people are curious Carlos, do you have some superpowers or what? How did you do that? And, by the way, carlos, we don't have seven or eight years to experience all that by ourselves. So could you please give us a summary of the most valuable things that you experienced and learned along the way? So my way of thinking, my way of explaining all this, is that I tell exactly the situations I was facing, the conditions that I was surrounded, what solutions I made, what decisions I made, what I've learned from them and what I have taken for my next challenges. What were valuable for me? Were that valuable for me? Yes, I took it for my next challenge and then I use it as took it for my next challenge and then I use it as a tool for for my next challenge.

Speaker 2:

So, uh, the those are the stories, uh, that they want to hear. Uh, they can really. Actually, sometimes I even, in the feedback, I ask them could you even relate to that, because you're not able, you will not row across the sea. And they are saying, no, your story of not giving up, of choosing your own attitude, of saying nobody knew how to do anything before they learn. You know, with all these attitudes and with all these examples from real life, from real expeditions, they feel that it's very valuable, that it's not just, uh, from a book that I've read and now I'm like I learned from the book and no, I learned from the experience. And when I share that experience and I put those people in the boat with me across the sea along these 45 minutes, and they have this feeling like, wow, actually that's what they are sharing with me in the feedback, that, wow, we had the feeling that I'm the one who is rowing, I am the one who is making these decisions. Wow, what I would, what I would do in these situations. So they can really relate to these challenges.

Speaker 2:

And and the example I shared with you before, when, afterwards, from afterwards, uh, I got in the feedback, the entrepreneur he told me that, yeah, your ability to underline the importance of finding the solutions till the last moment, there is never too late.

Speaker 2:

You're just finding the solutions, and that's how we were able to cross the Atlantic, cross the Atlantic, and that's how he sees that his team needed that message from someone from outside.

Speaker 2:

Because sometimes you know, when the leaders are experiencing that they had some important project like behind him, behind that they already done some important project, or there is important project that they are facing next quarter or next year and the, the leader has, like, lost the, the words, what, how he could encourage and inspire his team like to take on this next, uh, very demanding and challenging, uh, challenging, uh project that they will take on.

Speaker 2:

So then they asked me to come in and share my story and then, through the eyes of the expedition and through the eyes of explorer, they can see yes, like we, if carlis could do that, if they could figure out how to roll while standing or how to not give up in these situations where, where the, the tanker almost hit us, or or when the sharks were hitting the boat, etc. Etc. So even then, if the, they were in such a problematic place, in such a bad place, even even there there was a solution and they got it through. So that gives them the feeling that even the guy who googled, he can roll across the ocean what we couldn't do like. Is there anything?

Speaker 1:

yes, so yes, yeah, exactly. Oh my gosh. Um, your adventures are an inspiration to, I'm sure, a lot of people. Are you writing a book? Are you planning on writing a book?

Speaker 2:

yeah share these adventures definitely, and my approach to this book. Uh, because my friend with whom we wrote the at, he wrote a book about the Atlantic crossing, but that's only in Latvian. We made the documentary that the name is Touched by the Ocean. But I'm definitely thinking of writing a book, but I have these stories in me and what I think to myself. If I cannot remember something from five years or seven years, what I've done seven years ago, that this is not the thing that is necessary to share with anyone in the book. If I cannot remember it, it's not worth sharing. I will write in the book the only the things that I can remember very vividly, yes, very kind of followfully, and I can share with them even after five, six, seven years, after doing all these things. So definitely it's going.

Speaker 1:

Well, if you need a partner to help you, I will sit and listen.

Speaker 1:

I will ask all the questions and help you get this out onto paper if you want. Ladies and gentlemen, we're here in studio at the Fearless Road podcast with Carlos Bartulis, who has just shared with us an incredible journey almost around the world. We haven't gotten into some of the other stories and we can't get into the rest of them because we have limited time, and we will do a part two of this where we get a little further into some of the other journeys and the stories that Carlos has endured and has overcome and has shared the stories that Carlos has endured and has overcome and has shared as a motivational speaker. If you're interested in bringing a new perspective to your team and sharing the challenges and what you face in the new quarter or the new year and you're looking for ways to inspire them, I suggest you reach out to Carlos and you get him on a stage near you immediately. You get him to share these stories, get him to talk about his journeys, get him to inspire your team, because it's nothing short of miraculous and it's nothing short of impressive, the feats that this young man has achieved in his short lifetime, which you're going to do more, I know you're going to do more.

Speaker 1:

You mentioned to me before the feats that this young man has achieved in his short lifetime, which I miss. You're going to do more. I know you're going to do more. You mentioned to me before like you can imagine yourself at 60 doing something incredible, and I just think that that's unbelievably amazing. If there's one last two things where can people find you? And the last is what? What message would you like to leave with our listeners today? If there was a message you could leave, so, where can we find you? And, um, what's your final message for us?

Speaker 2:

so you, you could find me in the wildest place, wherever you get and you will see.

Speaker 1:

Look at the nearest ocean near you and you can google him.

Speaker 2:

You can google carlos, by the way by way, this is the thing how you can find me If you Google where is Carlos, and definitely the first thing that comes on Google where is Carlos. And Carlos is not like Canada, but like Kenya. So, yeah, yes, k-a-r-l-i-s. Exactly. My message is actually I will be an advocate and promote this thing, which I want to share with you anywhere I go, because that is the fundament of all my journeys, of all my expeditions, how I actually cope with all this adversity. And I will quote, I will paraphrase the quote from the book which I listened while rowing across the Pacific, and that's by Viktor Frankl Man's Search for Meaning.

Speaker 2:

So the quote is as follows From outside stimulus to our response to that stimulus, In the middle, in between that, there is a moment, and that moment, in that moment, lies infinitive power, and that power is our ability to choose our attitude in any given circumstances. This is one of the most powerful things, what I will promote things, what I will promote advocate for, because this is what I have tested so many times in my experiences and nothing helps me better than this, like in very, very difficult and and depressive situations where I've been pushed back, like for not one day, not one week, but for one month I've been pushed back by the currents and only with ability to choose my attitude in that situation I was able to stay sane. So if you can take that and test it with any of your next challenges, I really hope that's the thing indomitable spirit and the infinite strength of your attitude.

Speaker 1:

Our attitude is of gratitude and we give you an ocean-size thanks from our listeners for your adventure and sharing your fearless journey, your literal, fearless, brave and amazing experience. I will do whatever I can to spread your message and to encourage those here in the United States to bring you across the ocean, not not by rowing by plane on our stages here hey, you never know to share your story further and to spread this message where you can.

Speaker 1:

At the, at the junction of your infinite power, you can change your mind about something and make magic happen. Ladies and gentlemen, my incredible pleasure and my incredible guest, carlis bartlis uh, board without borders. Uh, this, this is this has been an incredible journey. It's been an incredible interview. Thank you so much, carlos, for sharing this with me today and with the rest of us today. I hope to have you back again, because I want to know more, I want to hear more. Thank you for joining us today.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely, absolutely, michael. It was such a pleasure. Michael, it was such a pleasure we were on this cruise across the sea in this interview, so I really enjoyed that and all the listeners. This is where we thank our cruise members that we have crossed on the other side. Let's move on. It's been a pleasure. Yes, it has been a pleasure and choose Fearless Road and Board of Borders sea lines the next time.

Speaker 1:

Yes, please, ladies and gentlemen, you may now put up your tray tables. Pull up your seat backs into the upright position. We are about to land this plane. Board of Borders, the Fearless Road podcast. Thank you everybody for listening. Thank you, carlos, for being a part of the show today and remember everybody, stay fearless. Thank you, cheers, bye, bye. This guy has Thanks for listening. If you've gotten all the way through here, man, my love goes out to you. I feel it. I think it's incredible. Like, subscribe, do all those things, those wonderful things for us, you know, and if you're interested in more, check out Fearless Thinking the podcast, the new podcast that's out. And you know we've got some interesting things coming down the line A new online membership community called the Ascend Hub launching this summer, which sort of gathers all my fearless people together under one roof. So that'll be pretty cool, yeah, so thanks everybody. Have an incredible fearless day you.